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Poll: Do you think Russia’s actions in Georgia are justified?
August 28, 2008 |
Loading ...What specific, strategic actions can citizens of the world take, perhaps on a widespread grassroots scale, to dismantle Russia’s aggression against Georgia? Your responsible and thoughtful views are needed NOW.
Let’s hear it – now is the time. Cast your vote.
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Russia vs Georgia conflict explained
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In comparison to the US’ occupation of Baghdad, the Ruskies have a greater reason for protecting Ossetia than the yanks do in protecting the Iraqi oil ministry from Iraqi nationals! If McCain and his GOP want to stay in Iraq for a 100 years, I hope the Russians do the same in Tsblisi, Georgia!
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S Ossetia as well as Abkhazia are integral parts of Georgia, and ethno-conflicts are results of Russia’s imperialistic mentality and politics: Russia provoked separatism as a weapon against Independence of post-soviet countries for taking the control over them through manipulating the conflicts when necessary.
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It was just cynical to tell that Russia had a right on peace-kipping mandate in these regions. Not Abkhazia and Osetia are sides in this conflict, but Russia, and I believe the world will see Abkhazian and Osetian separatists leaded by Kokoiti and Bagapshi condemned by their own people… and, please, who tells that Georgians begin the conflict this time? Just Kremlin?
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Th only thing sad about all this is that the Russians didn’t go all the way and arrest the lunatic Saakashvili. This would have got rid of this Murdering, vote rigging, media destroying economic puppet and made life for the rest of Georgians a lot better. Georgians die while his family is on holiday in Ukraine.
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There is no ‘moral’ killing (I mean ‘war’, which is nothing else but a massacre of the opponent).
No body can hide the blood on his hands. But some time it happens that the universal moral values give our sympathy to one or another killer. And here the winner is clearly Russia! They were teased and humiliated endlessly and merciless after the end of the Cold war in the time when the Winner - US/NATO should have been generous and stretch a helping arm to the looser. On contrary - they start a pure looting in the so called East block. Now they harvest what they planted! Hope there will be a cleaver politicians to rethink the ‘new world order’ and understand that the world is for all of us - not only for a chosen few!
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The Georgian nation and Georgian refugees from its breakaway regions, have been waiting for 17 years to return to their homes, but Russian FSB trained leaders of south Ossetia and Abkazia did everything not to bring peace in the region. Georgia had full constitutional right to bring law and order on its world recognized sovereign territory. Russia, who was ready to do everything to stop Georgia form entering NATO, gave Russian passports to thousands of Osetians and abkhazians, and now with a reason to defend its “citizens”, not only has entered and remains in conflict regions, but occupies more than half of Georgia. If even not remembering about bombing and invading the country by occupants, can you justify annexation of the sovereign country if even restoring the order in its own home? We know our history and remember 1921, when sovereign Georgia was annexed by Russia, and now are just surprised when the nave part of the world citizens believe in Kremlin’s tales to justify its imperialistic ambitions and efforts to widen area of influence and avoiding the presence of NATO in the Caucasus Region. With Regards, T.
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I would kindly remind, that just “Russian bombs were killing civilians and children” in Chechnya in the nearest past…
What does Russia think about its own autonomies? Will you stop them by “killing civilians and children” again?
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The US, NATO and Israel had been arming and training the Georgians for months before they attacked South Ossetia. They were performing military manouvers just a week or so before. The information on the developement of events was on the web all the time. The question was only when would the “Sacred Alliance” decide the attack should take place. Of course the Russians were on their toes and reacted inmediately to the attack. The US-NATO-Israel alliance has put the world at the edge of a nuclear precipice. Greedy, irresponsible maniacs.
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In comparison to the US’ occupation of Baghdad, the Ruskies have a greater reason for protecting Ossetia than the yanks do in protecting the Iraqi oil ministry from Iraqi nationals! If McCain and his GOP want to stay in Iraq for a 100 years, I hope the Russians do the same in Tsblisi, Georgia!
Sure the picture is very funny, but isn’t it ABSOLUTELY IMMORAL to think that starting the war, KILLING several thousands of innocent civilians and DESTROYING the capital of S. Ossetia is JUST A KICK?
I assume you are American - please try to imagine that a stronger country comes to you and destroys Washington or New York.
Not just WTC - the whole town.
Do you still consider it just a kick?
If so, please read this, I believe you will find a lot of funny stuff inside: http://community.myfoxny.com/blogs/Estrellita
Max, thus far the poll shows what people tend to trust Russia, and not McCain and the gang, doesnt it?
J., there were only four votes when I posted, and now there are 13 vs. 12, that can’t be treated representative.
And anyway, the distribution the votes has no relation to the picture.
Treating Georgian aggression against Ossetia civilians as just a kick is immoral, no matter how Russia reacted to it.
But I really hope Bush and McCain will not win, as they are going to use the Ossetia tragedy to start the second Cold War.
S Ossetia as well as Abkhazia are integral parts of Georgia, and ethno-conflicts are results of Russia’s imperialistic mentality and politics: Russia provoked separatism as a weapon against Independence of post-soviet countries for taking the control over them through manipulating the conflicts when necessary.
It was just cynical to tell that Russia had a right on peace-kipping mandate in these regions. Not Abkhazia and Osetia are sides in this conflict, but Russia, and I believe the world will see Abkhazian and Osetian separatists leaded by Kokoiti and Bagapshi condemned by their own people… and, please, who tells that Georgians begin the conflict this time? Just Kremlin?
Russian bombs again are killing civilians and children.
U-p-p-s. Never mind it was NATO this time. Before blame somebody be sure you have right to do so.
U.N. Finds Airstrike Killed 90 Afghans
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/08/26/AR2008082600301.html
About politics and global threats:
In 1980th US was selling WMD to Saddam Hussein - http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/51/052.html
About territorial integrity and International law:
Under UN Security Council Resolution 1244 (1999) Serbia’s territorial integrity was protected. On 17 February 2008, the Kosovo Assembly declared its independence from Serbia with support of US, UK and Germany.
Tamricko: wasn’t it BBC who broadcasted their _own_ footage of Tshinval on fire the very day the conflict started?
Th only thing sad about all this is that the Russians didn’t go all the way and arrest the lunatic Saakashvili. This would have got rid of this Murdering, vote rigging, media destroying economic puppet and made life for the rest of Georgians a lot better. Georgians die while his family is on holiday in Ukraine.
Any way, given enough time, the good people of Georgia will see what hell he has brought on them and then the nutters fate will be deciided. Good luck Georgians!
There is no ‘moral’ killing (I mean ‘war’, which is nothing else but a massacre of the opponent).
No body can hide the blood on his hands. But some time it happens that the universal moral values give our sympathy to one or another killer. And here the winner is clearly Russia! They were teased and humiliated endlessly and merciless after the end of the Cold war in the time when the Winner - US/NATO should have been generous and stretch a helping arm to the looser. On contrary - they start a pure looting in the so called East block. Now they harvest what they planted! Hope there will be a cleaver politicians to rethink the ‘new world order’ and understand that the world is for all of us - not only for a chosen few!
Dear Juno,
The Georgian nation and Georgian refugees from its breakaway regions, have been waiting for 17 years to return to their homes, but Russian FSB trained leaders of south Ossetia and Abkazia did everything not to bring peace in the region. Georgia had full constitutional right to bring law and order on its world recognized sovereign territory. Russia, who was ready to do everything to stop Georgia form entering NATO, gave Russian passports to thousands of Osetians and abkhazians, and now with a reason to defend its “citizens”, not only has entered and remains in conflict regions, but occupies more than half of Georgia. If even not remembering about bombing and invading the country by occupants, can you justify annexation of the sovereign country if even restoring the order in its own home? We know our history and remember 1921, when sovereign Georgia was annexed by Russia, and now are just surprised when the nave part of the world citizens believe in Kremlin’s tales to justify its imperialistic ambitions and efforts to widen area of influence and avoiding the presence of NATO in the Caucasus Region. With Regards, T.
Dear Dmitriy,
I would kindly remind, that just “Russian bombs were killing civilians and children” in Chechnya in the nearest past…
What does Russia think about its own autonomies? Will you stop them by “killing civilians and children” again?
I posted your poll on a german political forum. Let’s see how we europeans think about this conflict.
The US, NATO and Israel had been arming and training the Georgians for months before they attacked South Ossetia. They were performing military manouvers just a week or so before. The information on the developement of events was on the web all the time. The question was only when would the “Sacred Alliance” decide the attack should take place. Of course the Russians were on their toes and reacted inmediately to the attack. The US-NATO-Israel alliance has put the world at the edge of a nuclear precipice. Greedy, irresponsible maniacs.
This cartoon is tasteless!
I saw such cartoons before in German history books. The Jews in that cartoons were depicted like the Georgian man in the cartoon above.
You stirred quite some disgust on our political discussion forum.
I can tell you one thing everybody there considers it an Invasion what Russia is doing!
I just read the post linking to this site in the forum. My thoughts:
1. The comic is annoying at best
2. I am on nobodies site.
3. Given that this site is trying to bias us towards voting for Russia, I vote against it.
In all conflicts I’ve seen so far, the guy with the bigger stick is usually the bad guy.
It is the case in the US invasion in Irak and the same looking at Russia’s invasion of Georgia.
And yes, also the Americans had their reasons. Still I didn’t believe them and history proved me right.
Reason for the US invade Irak: Weapons of Mass Destruction or Oil?
Reason for Russia to invade Georgia: Peace-keeping or Imperialism?
If Russia wants a free South-Ossetia, why not start by giving freedom to North-Ossetia?
Site editor’s note for Ingo:
> Given that this site is trying to bias us
> towards voting for Russia
Mind you, how come we could bias voters? It’s the open poll.
We noticed attempt of Russian surfers (coming from Dirty.ru) to game the poll - it’s a sort of flashmob action for them - but since our core principal is NOT to adjust poll results (I don’t even know how it could be done technically) we didn’t do anything about it.
Poll results are 100% unedited.
Same for the comments - so far we didn’t decline not a single comment.
Dear Dmitriy,
We remember how Russian bombs were killing civilians and children in Chechnya… What do you think about the autonomies within Russia? Will you stop them by “killing civilians and children”?
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Tamaricko, i see you are georgian. So tell me what georgians will do if USA stop supplying you money weapons etc.? Don`t you see that this supplying has just one goal - to surround Russia with military NATO bases. Georgia (and Ukraine) is just a penny in this big game. BTW America is far-far away but Russia is the nearest country. Your leader have sold national georgian interests for US money, and it was a wrong decision. And your, georgian “peacekeepers” start shooting Russian solders at their backs like cowards. THIS WAS YOUR, GEORGIAN AGRESSION AGAINST RUSSIAN PEACEKEEPERS AND OSSETIA CIVILIANS.
And don`t try to use north ossetia and chechnya as an examlpes - these people voted for staying in Russia, they will not sell their souls for dollars as georgians.
tupye pendosy.
We remember how American bombs were killing civilians and children in Iraq and georgian soldiers killing civilians and children in South Osetia
? chto pravilnaya kartinka, ne her mishek obizat
Ole, Ole, Ole, Ole Russia v pered!!!
Poluchite ot Medveda otvet
Osetii DA, Georgii NET! :)))))))
Bears are good, man with the big nose and in a cap is bad. It is very simple
hey d00d! you should take a better lesson - it’s was georgia who made this bloodshed happen - so you missed the point!
however the picture is alright.
your site is useless, just the way CNN took down the same voting when Yes — it’s peacekeeping scored about 95%. CNN are always assholes anyway!
I think that the main problem - USA. They are similar to Fashists and connected with genocide.
Ia gruzinka i ochen gorjus etim.
moi narod is pokon vekov oboronialsa nikogda ne napadal ne na kogo! eto svobodolubivi narod, kotorii vsegda vistupal protiv vsiakogo iga, chto kosaetsia russkix ia ne xochu oskorbliat vsiu naciu, u menia esho ostalas nadejda chto v rosii ostalsis zdravomisliashie, eto potomki burlakov, kotorie v cepiax i kondolax chuvstvuiut sebia komfortno, eto i mnenie russkix klasikov, ne odin chelobek luboi nacionalnosti jivushii v gruzii ne bil ushimlion , chevo nelzia skazat o rosii, vi ochen zakompleksovannie liudi, siloi xotite chtobi vas uvajali i lubili, za vami ochen bolshoi grex, ot kotorogo iskupica ochen trudno.nikogda u rosii ne bili mirnie namerenie k Gruzii.vi vse doljni smeritsia s tem chto imperia vidoxlas, osvobodites ot etoi misli, daite vsem jit normalno, i vsio budet xorosho.vashe vremia nastanet kogda mir vstanet pered faqtom chto rosii ostaneca tolko odna step.xvatet jit nenevistiu k drugim narodam, rosia ne osetin, ne obxazov ne zachichaet, a svoi interesi. prejde chem viskazivatsia xorosho prochtite istoriu.
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” narod kotoriiblujdaet po evrope i ichet chto mojno tazrushit, unechtojit tolko radi razvlechenia” - Dostoevskii
“ne narod a skatina, xam, dikaia orda, dushegubov i zlodeev” - Bulgakov
“Naivajneiusheiu primetoiu udachi russkogo naroda est ego sadististskaia jestokost” - Gorkii
“rgun vo vsiov sveteusskii est naibolshii i nainagleishii lgun vo vsiov svete” - Turgenev
narod, chto nenavidet voliu, obojaet rabstvo,liubit cepi na svoix rukax i nogax, griaznii fizicheskii i moraliu, gotovii v liuboi moment ugnetat vsio i vsia “- Shmeliov
Respected Nekto,
Enable to organize free referendum in Chechnya, North Osetia, Ingushetia, Dagestan, Tatarstan, Mordovia, Sakha, Komi, etc.,like Russia did it in Abkhazia and Osetia, and let’s caunt those voting to stay. As for
“RUSSIAN PEACEKEEPERS IN GEORGIA”, it was
just a joke to give Russia “peacekeeping” mission in Georgia.
Georgians “peacemakers” killed Ossetians citizens… And now… some idiots trying to say that it’s Russian side was wrong? 2000 peoples. 1 Saakashvili. If Saakashvili die… The world will become the more beautiful place than now. He is cowardly pig. Just piece of f*cking shit. Damn. I cannot understand how smbd can secure & defend him. He is damned nati! He sold his own soul & nation & lives of peoples for US money. Ukraine & Georgia government shall dissapear. From this world. For ever.
USSR guide this nations to world and now they trying to arguing with Russia?
Dean, are you OK? Are You Sure?
Georgia…Russia…USA..NATO…It’s just dirty politics. There is no rules, honour in politics.
People will be killed by other people for ages…Geopolitical problem - the cause of it.
Russia,USA,Germany,France and other states have been killing people for ages…inside and outside. Georgia…By the way,Stalin - is a georgian,Beria - is a georgian too.
It’s a usual politic situation today - USA, NATO
has their geopolitical interests in Caucasus, Russia has it’s geopolitical interests too in Caucasus. Poor,little South Ossetia…Poor Osetins…It’s just a new territory for conflict between “Great States”.
Anton !
shto kasaetsia stalina i berii, ot nix bolshe vsego postradala Gruzia, arusskim ostavili imperiu, no stalin umer, i imperii konec.smerites s etim.
This poll is fake!
Suddenly a huge jump in votes pro Russia.
I doubt my post won’t change anything. I also doubt that the maker of this site has the guts to even publish my post.
sad times.
Uhm…What the reason for putting up such a fake site might be? A Kremlin PR action???
Get real.
Why americans so defend Georgia, because they thinks that Georgia is state of USA, some people in state of Georgia, usa was afraid by russian response, they really looked for tanks and russian soldiers at out.funny. I cant understand this site, is it proamerican or prorussian? Because site name is stoprussianaggression, but picture on main page is prorussian. My view point in this war is this big policy of Kremlin and USA, Saakasvili is special CIA project, and they spent a lot of money for it. Georgia is a strategy polygon, people of it are guinea pigs. Because US government never cares and thinks about other people. And this is fact. Look at Afghanistan, Iraq, where US soldiers are killing civilians, bombing children. And Georgia people must be aware it.
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Absolutely true. This poll is fake. For every 1-2 votes you cast against Russia,
AUTOMAGICALLY
I vote is added pro Russia
This post definitely won’t be published here. The owner of this site doesn’t have the balls!
Nah, it’s a pro Nato site. Can’t believe so many think, that Russia is an agressor, when it’s opposite. So obvious atm.
RUSSIA IS A GREAT COUNTRY!!!
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Russia have all his rights to protect his citizens in all the world not only in Ossetia. More than 1000 russian civilians and 12 russian UN-peacekeepers were killed by georgian invaders at 8 august. Only after that russian 58th army crossed border and start counterfightening against georgian army. After 5 days of struggle georgians were fully defeated and panically runaway back in Tbilisi. Russian army has stopped his moving and now major part of 58th army is in Russia again. But georgian provocations is continued. Russia has already stopped the war.
Georgia’s invasion of South Ossetia, an act of unprovoked aggression against a sovereign, democratic country, has shown the world exactly what sort of a country the ‘new’ Georgia is. The fall out from the invasion of South Ossetia will be felt around the world for years to come: the Georgian attack directly endangers the security of the west for a number of reasons. The lack of an adequate international response to Georgia’s aggression leaves the door open for a repeat of this scenario. If Georgia is allowed to get away with invading and occupying South Ossetia, it will not think twice before it does again.
Furthermore, if South Ossetia’s democratically elected government is abandoned by those that share its values in the west, then there is no hope for the further spread of democracy and freedom in the world today.
This vote is a total scam!
I tested it and voted “No it is an iinvasion”
Before I voted there were 900 votes for No and 1343 votes for Yes.
After my No vote there were 901 No but also 1344! Yes votes.
Unbelievable how much of a scam this is.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgSvYtjzZt8
At that Georgia is begun, massive propaganda campaign against Russia and for their war should be surprise to anybody. That they have gone to extreme lengths which they have and that it was so devastatingly successfully (at least within Georgia) could be. Allow me to draw your attention to article in Forbes: “Except regular bullets and tanks, wars between Georgia and Southern Ossetia has clearly shown some alternative methods of war. Was assumed cyber-attack on Russian Websites which served as the prevention to military actions.”
Freedom to Colchis, georgian army soldiers get out of Colchis territory. Freedom to Colchis
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgSvYtjzZt8
From site editor to Chuck re “This vote is a total scam”:
Didn’t it cross your mind what the poll is popular and OTHER folks might be voting SIMULTANEOUSLY with you?
I’m reposting comment submmitted by Maia - it was accidentally deleted by anstispam filter due to availability of links inside.
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From Maia
http://osinform.ru/
http://www.nebog.com/truthaboutwar.htm
At that Georgia is begun, massive propaganda campaign against Russia and for their war should be surprise to anybody. That
they have gone to extreme lengths which they have and that it was so devastatingly successfully (at least within Georgia)
could be. Allow me to draw your attention to article in Forbes: “Except regular bullets and tanks, wars between Georgia and
Southern Ossetia has clearly shown some alternative methods of war. Was assumed cyber-attack on Russian Websites which
served as the prevention to military actions.”
List of United States military history events
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_military_history_events
From Chuck to site editor.
Don’t be mistaken. I know my stuff. And I tested it with almost a dozen friends who helped.
The vote is a total scam!
Well, guys, i have finally eaten all of my neckties that president Bush provided me with!!
Please send more weapons to Georgia, delicous and eatable ties for Poor Misha Sukashvilli! Thaaaaaaaank you!
Guys please help poor Misha Sukashvilli!!
Crazy russian bear called me “political deadbody”. Oh poor georgian pres is no more, what should i do now? It;s a russian aggression again!
Please american people help help poor Misha Sukashvilli asap!
You know what the funny thing is the Russians sent in two motor rifle battelians and at first contact the NATO, US, and Isreali trained Georgian Army ran. Also If Geogia had waited till say October for the INVASION of SO then the mountian passes would be covered in snow and the Russians would have to go in Airborne making it much more difficult.
Oh dear John Williams! You are so experienced in the current situation! Please take your rifle and come to Georgian training our brave but lil but idiotic troops to fight in the passes covered with snow! Hot georgian meals and boobs provided! We wait and rely on your words and deeds!
Yours ass-lickingly
Poor Misha Sukashvilli
C’mon people i feel so lonely these days when the whole world is attempting to stop russian aggression by voting here and there, Useless Nations doing their nothing to help my ass out, please send me more NATO vessels and carnivore blood-thirsty NATO troopers! I feel so alone and forsaken!
Yours ********
Poor Misha Sukashvilli
Hallo dear american fellows! Poor Misha Sukashvilli with you again. Last night was wonderful, me and my dear Nikola Sarkozi were drinking delicious wine and laughed our guts out while the whole world trying its best to stop russian aggression. I know i’m such a bitch and bastard, but i cannot just stop my bloody lies becuz big brother George is keeeping an eye on me from Washington. Well, that’s it for now!
Yours ******
Poor Misha Sukashvilli
Howyodoing fella americans? Misha Sukashvilli here again to entertain you. Don’t you think it’s been quiet here lately? Methinks so.
Well, i was trully expecting that LHC will suck Russia into its black hole, but it failed. So people keep voting to stop Russia’s aggression on sovereign neibouring country. This is 21st century!!
Heil to NATO, George from Texas and Condomliza Rice! Stay tuned while you can!
Yours ******-censored-******-censored-******
Poor Misha Sukashvilli
The New York Times has an exhaustive story on the Georgian government’s assault on South Ossetia, and the conclusion is unequivocal: “Georgia’s inexperienced military attacked the isolated separatist capital of Tskhinvali on Aug. 7 with indiscriminate artillery and rocket fire, exposing civilians, Russian peacekeepers and unarmed monitors to harm.”
In response, the U.S. State Department now concedes that the Georgian government was wrong to attack South Ossetia.
This report follows new revelations about Georgian President Mikheil Saakashvili’s sneak attack on Tskhinvali, the BBC’s report on Georgian abuses, Human Rights Watch’s disclosure of Georgian use of cluster bombs, and our own growing compilation of eyewitness accounts of Georgian abuses before, during, and after the five-day war.
So now the question is: Why is the United States still giving billions of taxpayer dollars in unconditional aid to Saakashvili, rewarding him for what the NYT is now reporting was an indiscriminate attack on civilians?
While it’s good that the media are beginning to take a look at what really happened during the Georgian government’s assault on South Ossetia, it is time for the American government and people to find out what Georgia’s U.S. trained and equipped military really did.
Sen. Hillary Clinton needs to push her bill S.3567. This bill, which is currently referred to the Foreign Affairs Committee, seeks to examine the causes of the conflict and make recommendations about U.S. policy. Sen. Clinton must ensure that the American people get a full and fair hearing on what happened in August.
georgia are faggots, they start a fight they cannot finish, and call NATO to help them, the most important member of nato doesnt give a fuck (USA). then georgia cry some more, just like a fucking ten year old. fucktards. their watermelons are shite